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  1. 1. Who would you vote for?

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Guys just out of curiousity, who would you vote for? 

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I honestly support neither, however out of desperation I would choose Hillary because I think Trump is unpredictable. The only thing I know is he is a business man and he doesn't work for the people but self gain...Clinton is a crook that lies and lobby. However right now I am very afraid of America right now.

PS: I'm Canadian.

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Trump wins this is the saddest and disgusting election ever cant believe he was even a choice 

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Neither candidate was good but she in my opinion was better than just a random dude with enough fame and money to run plus i heard that even some of the republicans voted for her cause they knew he was not fit for the job. What im pissed at is the fact that we still use electoral votes instead of popular votes cause if that happened more ppl would be inclined to vote since it would matter more than just getting enough to make sure your state stayed red or blue.  

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Im not American, im Australian so some stuff i might have gotten wrong, but because it was SUCH a huge shitfest, i did extensive research and triple checked my facts, so im pretty sure im right.

Clinton wasn't better than Trump, If she was she would have won.

She lost against pretty much a reality tv star that has not held elected office.

She lost not to a popular candidate, but to a businessman, and politics is a game, and Trump played it 110% better than Clinton. Yes the polls pre-voting showed that Clinton shouldve won (ignoring the fact that Bernie Sanders definitely wouldve won by a landslide). Trumps own campaign party didn't think he would win, but he instead criticized his own team, pretty much did a hostile takeover and played the politics game well. Trump literally picked up politics in one year, where as Clinton was what, in it for over 40 or so years?

Trump worked overtime and did 4, 5, and even 6 rallies a day to swing states (which he did) even though the media made fun of him. Refused to quit when the polls put him down. He was getting made fun of in the media for hitting places like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Clinton from what i read rarely does conferences and as much rallies as Trump, EVEN when Trump KNOWS he is being set up and is walking straight into a trap, he will still do it. He appealed to people instead of putting them down like Clinton did (seriously, who calls a general group of people baskets of deplorables?)

For somebody who wanted the presidency so bad, she wasn't willing to grind when it counted. She had literally every advantage.The one thing Trump can say that she can't is that he worked his ass off down to the buzzer. And it made all the difference.

And i agree, Trump has to be one of the most hated/disaproved (maybe even the most) candidate(s) in the history of the US. Yet he still got elected. What does that say about Clinton? She never did what Trump and Bernie Sanders did, which was appeal to the white working class and those without college degrees. Sanders was clearly the better choice, but guess what? The DNC pushed someone who got rigged up the front, and campaigned saying "it was her time".

From what i read Clinton (or the DNC) has a 3-1 advantage at the start. This should be a wakeup call to the Democratic Party that the super delegate system and rigging your own primaries to choose a more flawed candidate, when Bernie Sanders polled way better and would have 100% won it for them, is stupid. Oh yes i know how racist Trump is, what a bigot he is and being anti-gay and all that stuff, but guess what? Americans showed that they hated a corrupted politician that never appealed to the masses diligently even more.The one that played the media and sat contently thinking its "her time" and that she is guaranteed the win from the get go.

Yes i agree neither candidate are good, but i disagree Clinton is better. Trump deserve the win. Is Trump going to be a good president? No. But did he deserve the win over Clinton? I 100% think so. DNC fucked themselves royally, Trump didnt.

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I agree a lot with what's said in the article linked below, along with several other points. And I think iShotLethal is about spot on.

Personally speaking, if laws are the only thing preventing racism, sexism and the like from occuring, then the problem doesn't lay with the government but the people. In effect, all the things that people are placing on Trump and accusing his supporters of are only exacerbated when they're stopped by suppression and shaming as opposed to discussion and understanding. This has been something I've seen from both liberals and conservatives, democrats and republicans. But, I've only ever really experienced it first hand from people who identify as liberal or who stand behind the culture championed by Obama and Hillary Clinton archetypes. I think a part Trump won this election is in direct consequence of political correctness and society being pushed to the point of cencorship and bigotry.

Then comes all the situations Hillary Clinton has found herself in with classified data, DNC  and the possible shadiness surrounding the Clinton foundation. I've held a security clearance and I know what happens when you're negligent in handling of those materials. In my case, if I'd have done something like what she had done, I would definitely have been dishonorably or other than honorably discharged. Depending on the materials and consequences, I may have even went to court marshal and sent to leavenworth. I don't personally see Hillary Clinton as trustworthy or respectable at this point. Even if it's only a possibility that she's the monster/political shyster I see her as being, I'm not putting my faith in her as the president. That's before you even get into the current administration and Hillary Clintons personal stances/statements involving Russia and the countries we're bombing. I don't doubt that she could possibly put us in WW3. 

And finally, if nothing else, I've considered what my feeling would be if we did go to war and I was still in the military. With Hillary Clinton as president, I could very well be ordered to go to war and not necessarily be able to trust the reasons and precursors leading to that war as would be given by Hillary Clinton. Trump's straight forward or bullheaded enough that he probably wouldn't make any excuses and just say what we're going off for. That's the general feel I have between Clinton and Trump.

https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/dear-democrats-read-this-if-you-do-not-understand-why-trump-won-5a0cdb13c597#.3vk6x2rxp

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To me as someone who lives in america and someone who doesn't care about either party if they had chosen someone other than trump no one would care as much as they do its because the republicans picked a reality star who prolly bribed them to put him on the ballot vs choosing someone who has actual knowledge about politics and the experience to be able to run a country. What does trump know about running a country its not like one of his casinos or hotels or whatever he owns the decisions he has to make affect not only the 350 million people who live in america but depending on the situation might involve other nations. He says he wants to build a wall around america to keep people out that to mean shows that he is a coward who wants to hide in his fancy house instead of trying to actively go to other countries and try to work issues out like an adult. Now if he had experience working in politics i wouldn't care as much and yes i know even if you do have a political background you can still be shitty. In the past the republican presidents have gotten us into wars just look at what bush did and we elected him twice not because hes great but because they other guy was even shittier. I lean towards democrats because under obama one of the worlds most dangerous men was taking down that's a huge accomplishment plus he helped try to put an end to the war that was started before his time yes its hard to stop a war in 4 or 8 years just look at all the other wars we have been through they lasted a long time and i wouldn't be shocked if trump starts another one since it goes with the pattern of republican = war democrat = tries to fix the damage of the war. Now I'm just relaying was has happened in the past trump could be the greatest leader we have ever had but based of what had happened in the past its unlikely he would do much good but this is all just an opinion.

Now onto Clinton yes she would prolly have been just as shitty of a choice but shes been in the white house before knows what to do what not to do yes politicians are sly and lie to get the results they want and that goes for either party. Yeah everyone has skeletons in their closets hers was some emails trumps was sexually assaulting women and saying he likes to grab their private parts. Both of those things are terrible but whats worse some stupid emails and yes i know they had confident stuff in them or being anti gay pro white just plain racist in general sexist and the list goes on. From my point of view i see one thing wrong with her and a shit ton wrong with him. Would i want either one to be my president fuck no i want obama as my forever president but you can only serve 2 terms so i guess we were stuck with these terrible choices. Throughout the election year the emails were the only bad thing i heard/saw about her maybe its cause i live in a blue state which would most likely not show bad things towards our candidate cause it would hurt the states voting rates which I'm already mad at for how many people voted for trump in a blue state.

But as i said in an earlier post electoral votes do not work in today's america where you have people voting for a celebrity just cause hes famous and not thinking about whats gonna happen if he wins.Its been shown already people burning flags killing others starting riots cause they cant believe people were dumb enough to vote for him in the first place. If we did the popular voting then people who live in either red or blue states who know for a fact they gonna stay that colour would actually vote instead of staying home cause their one vote really doesn't matter when 80% of the state is gonna go one way. But if we counted every vote instead of just going based on the percentage a state got maybe one day a third party would win cause all the votes they get in all states would rack up and they would have a chance. If this ever gets changed to it you can only blame yourself for your candidate not getting enough votes cause every states votes would count regardless of its affiliation. Plus people arguing is stupid cause if she won we would still be having this same conversation instead of the majority bashing trump they would bash her its pointless we all know neither candidate should of won but someone had to and one group or the other would have been pissed off so do we all agree on at least that point they both suck but we need someone to lead us.           

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22 hours ago, iShotLethal said:

For somebody who wanted the presidency so bad, she wasn't willing to grind when it counted. She had literally every advantage.The one thing Trump can say that she can't is that he worked his ass off down to the buzzer. And it made all the difference.

 

I don't think just because someone works hard, they deserved to win. I understand what you're trying to say though. You're saying that Trump attempted to reach out to the public more than Hillary did- which may be true. However that doesn't change that (in my personal opinion), Trump's public image isn't very good (neither is Hillary's though.) 

@Loki, I second what you say. Trump actually said he would give his powers to his Vice President, and he's pretty anti-LGBTQ soooo....I don't really want to predict any futures, but until Trump actually does something good, I'm not going to support neither sides. 

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LUL

They aren't just "some emails" , the emails are on the internet for your pleasure to read. I doubt you read any from your response. Shes the fucking Senate, she should of knew better. If she would of had won, she would been the most corrupt piece of shit ever. I'm not saying Trump is better tho, but he hasn't done nearly anything worst then her, hes just some White Privilege Billionaire. 

Also saying Donald Trump is Anti Gay and is a reason to vote against him is plain stupid, Hilary went on record (live interview(s) ) saying she doesn't support gay marriage( she privately supported the DefenseOfMarriageAct,  which got shut down) but now she does, of course she does, she have to win there votes someway. Same thing with the BLM . 

It's a shame Hiliary and the DNC worked against Bernie to take him down, I believe he would of won by a landslide. 

 

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On 11/11/2016 at 3:42 PM, Loki Rehyu said:

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Your formatting literally kills my eyes, and from what i read, you are delusional and hypocritical.

 

"republicans picked a reality star who prolly bribed them to put him on the ballot vs choosing someone who has actual knowledge about politics and the experience "

Oh yeah, but the democrats put someone who rigged themselves to primary, over someone who appealed to and energized crowds (Bernie Sanders) who was more publicly liked, and polled better than Clinton. How well did her wealth of politics serve in getting elected? How well was her knowledge and experience to lose her THREE TO ONE advantage over Trump?

 

" He says he wants to build a wall around america to keep people out... "

Another generalization, he said to keep ILLEGAL immigrants out. Do your own research instead of listening to bias news.

 

" ...shows that he is a coward who wants to hide in his fancy house instead of trying to actively go to other countries and try to work issues out like an adult "

No it doesn't, how DID you put two and two together? Are you stupid?

 

....and we elected him twice not because hes great but because they other guy was even shittier "

So you agree that the reason we elected Trump is because Clinton was shittier, yet you claim Clinton is better... What?

 

" look at all the other wars we have been through they lasted a long time and i wouldn't be shocked if trump starts another one "

You know right, that if CLINTON was elected, experts predict WW3 WOULD happen, Dont believe me?

http://www.thegamersdrop.com/2016/11/11/world-war-3-news-russia-confirms-nuclear-apocalypse-vs-usa-hillary-clinton-won-13290/

http://heatst.com/politics/kremlin-clinton-victory-would-have-led-to-world-war-3-between-russia-and-the-us/

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/hillary-clinton-presidency-could-trigger-world-war-3-experts-say-23118052.html

http://www.infowars.com/a-vote-for-hillary-is-a-vote-for-world-war-3/

 

and thats JUST from your first paragraph, im not going to bother correcting your 2nd and 3rd as it would take too much time and i cbf. Do your own research instead of listening to media from a blue state.

8 hours ago, Genius Girl said:

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" I don't think just because someone works hard, they deserved to win."

Are you serious right now? In what part of the world are you allowed to be lazy and be elected PRESIDENT? Come the fuck on. Seriously?

 

" You're saying that Trump attempted to reach out to the public more than Hillary did "]

No, im not saying, its FACT

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/after-first-2-full-months-since-conventions-trump-is-crushing-hillary-in-campaign-event-attendance/

http://truthfeed.com/fact-check-trump-vs-clinton-battle-of-the-rallies-heres-the-shocking-attendance-numbers/19536/

" Overall, month to date, Trump held nearly 3 times the number of events than that of Hillary Clinton and 16 times the number of participants. Clinton held 5 of her 11 events in high school gyms which in many cases were half empty while Trump held his events in arenas and other large facilities with at least 7 of his events (Columbus, Harrisburg, Ashburn, Wilmington, Abingdon, West Bend, and Akron) having reported overflow crowds. "

Trump was smart, and beaten Clinton in public image. Im not saying it, the numbers themselves tell how much he did, and it reflected in how more people went to his rallies and conferences.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/31/donald-trump/has-hillary-clinton-not-had-press-conference-269-d/

http://freebeacon.com/politics/fact-check-trumps-claim-clinton-no-presser-235-days/

Trumps public image wasn't very good? I beg to differ, his numbers at events made Clintons PALE in comparison.

Whatever your political views are, just take a moment to marvel at the fact that Hillary Clinton was less relatable to working class people in the rust belt than a man who lives in a golden skyscraper emblazoned with his name in the middle of Manhattan 

Again im not saying Trump will be a good president, i infact believe he WONT be, however Clinton was in no shape or form BETTER than Trump during elections. Trump did marvelously to win, and he deserves it.

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I'm not trying to argue or stir any pots. Nor do I feel defensive....Just simply stating from what I feel as you are. So I don't feel the need to use "LUL and LOL". Sorry what you're saying is not really fact. If it was, then Trump would've won by far, he only won by a margin.

" Overall, month to date, Trump held nearly 3 times the number of events than that of Hillary Clinton and 16 times the number of participants "

- That is never shown on media here. I saw Clinton way more on television. Also, I don't really intend to dispute this as a fight, and I respect your opinions.

However regardless of numbers or anything you say, Trump has a really bad public image in Canadian context. And numbers can always be rigged, noone ever knows this. It is why our Prime Minister never really made time to meet him. If you ask any Canadian, 90% of the time we'll tell you we fear him...Trudeau has made time for Clinton.

(And please don't pull the "You're Canadian, not American so mind your own business" response please. American politics indirectly involve the Canadian economy.) 

Anyhow, have a great evening. 

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Not saying that the media is always true, but that's beyond the point. You have to kinda understand politics and media influence to know where I'm coming from.

Certain states uphold certain values: ie, certain states will support republican values while some states support democratic. It doesn't necessarily mean one is wrong and the other is correct. It is all subjective and trickles down to individual choice and preferences. This is why they call it a "democracy/free country".

Canada is mostly liberal, so this is why most of us prefer Clinton, although Sanders would probably be our first choice. I'm not really saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying there are reasons why we dislike Trump, hopefully you can respect that. 

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I work in the industry, and I study Community Planning and Social Policy that goes into the depth of Urban planning and political economy in the Canadian context at a Masters level. However, I'm not here to belittle others unlike you though, so enjoy the rest of your night. 

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Seeing that the topic is also going off tangent, this will be the last time I address you as we don't seem to agree. Good attempt at conversation though.

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I still dont see why this is still up for debate.

Trump won, Clinton lost, i dont care if you make excuses about whatever or whatever. Its like saying you failed an exam/test and then saying "Oh but i would have passed if i studied"

Yeah sure, but you didnt. Yeah sure, Trump wouldve lost if etc etc etc... and Clinton is so popular she should have won etc etc etc... But Clinton was shown to be better so etc etc etc...

Doesn't fucking matter, your excuses are null and void because Trump won over Clinton.

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